Braver Angels recently hosted a conversation between me and my “Red” friend Greg Smith, a blue-collar Ohian, former police chief, and loyal Trump supporter. Soon after Biden’s inauguration, Greg wrote a facebook post demanding that liberals stop calling him and his friends “racist.” When Greg asked me to engage in a public conversation about this topic, I was terrified. However, the topic–and our friendship–seemed too important for me to say no. 

You can watch below or listen here. (P.S. You can hear the song I wrote with Greg’s daughter here). Please let me know what you think!